Access to nMAbs & Antivirals

My post seems rather trivial after reading about the struggles some of you have been through to get the anti virals but here goes. Last year we booked a world cruise for February 2023 optimistically thinking covid would have gone by then. Clearly it hasn’t and it is looking like it will still be a threat when we sail

Yesterday i messaged the cruise company to ask if the medical centre on the ship would have anti virals available. I got a very prompt reply stating that they couldnt get any at present as they are only available to the NHS but they are working on it and could have them before we sail.
Is this something BCUK could push for to enable clinically vulnerable to be able to get back to some sort of normality and feel safer whilst enjoying a holiday?

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I will copy your post to @BloodCancerUK for you.

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I am on a 6 week holiday in Spain at the moment. I was worried about leaving the accessibility to the antivirals, so when we arrived, I made an appointment with a local GP to ask if there are any arrangements for the immunocompromised to gain quick access to these drugs. Sadly there is nothing like that here, and he told me that if I should become seriously unwell with Covid, I should go to A & E :slightly_frowning_face:. Not what I wanted to hear. Now I’m trying to arrange to have my pentamidine nebuliser treatment here, so we can stay longer. Waiting for an appointment with a haematologist at the local hospital as we speak.

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Hello @Snellybob, what an ordeal you have been through. Glad to hear you are now negative and that your symptoms were relatively mild. It would be really useful, if you are happy, to use your case as an example to send through to the NHS for improvement purposes. If you would like to do this perbhaps you could direct message me with the following details:
Name
NHS no.
Diagnosis
Treatment
GP name
Treatment Centre
Postcode

Continue to feel better and take care.
Gemma

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Hello @ilivesunshine, I will certainly take your request forward. I suspect it may be a complex process as accessing the COVID treatments in the UK still needs streamlining and improvements. That is not to say we can’t look into this for you so if we have any information we will let you know. Kind regards Gemma

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I was told yesterday by my stem cell transplant consultant that should I get covid now, I’m not entitled to the antivirals and antibodies, because I am now just over a year post-transplant. I should have asked if having a DLI in the last few months, and steroids - both immunesuppressing - changed that, but I didn’t think quickly enough (I never see my consultants for more than a few minutes.) So I am now on my own, re covid, gulp. But I think I can accept that AND move forward with my life. Obviously, when I get it I’ll tell my team and no doubt they will monitor me from afar - so I still have a safety net.

However, he also said he speaks to 10 at-home blood cancer patients a day with covid, and he said they’re all experiencing a mild illness with omicron. He even said one person 14 days post-transplant was fine with covid recently.

I realise this isn’t the experience of covid of everyone here - just this consultant’s observations recently. He was encouraging me to now live my life, and to work in whatever environment I like (I had asked if it was now fine for me to return to work, as I’ve just completed all my childhood vaccinations; and whether I should seek a more covid-secure environment.) He said I should not worry too much about covid - I was just as likely to be ok as the next person. He did acknowledge that this is not every consultant’s view. He felt some consultants still (perhaps unconsciously) conveyed the ‘it will kill you, you must shield’ line, and that this was no longer correct or necessary for people like me (healthy post-transplant Acute Myeloid Leukaemia patients.)

Well, there’s nothing like a bit of confirmation bias, and as I was leaning towards re-starting my life anyway, I’m taking his words and running with them! I feel fit, energetic and ready to embrace all the wonders of life again, and I’m going for it. : )

On a similar note, I asked him when/if I could stop taking the prophylactic penicillon. I’ve had C.diff twice, and I’m sure it’s the antibiotics wiping out my good gut flora. And I’m conscious that scientists are beginning to understand how vital healthy gut flora are to our overall health - so long-term antibiotics worry me.

He said that there wasn’t a large body of researched evidence to say that the penicillin actually helps stem cell transplant patients much. It’s just that when the transplants began, medics felt it wise to throw in some antibiotics, and the convention has continued ever since. Intensive treatments used to mess up the spleen too, whereas less intensive treatments today don’t, so antibiotics are not needed for that scenario. In the US, they stop the antibiotics after 2 years, to no ill effect. So he said I could stop them now. Result!

I hope this proves interesting and/or useful to someone else. It’s certainly not what I’ve heard earlier in the pandemic, and has been the first medical voice to encourage me to now live the life I’ve had saved.

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That’s interesting to hear. We are avid cruisers - two were booked for 2020 and we keep kicking them down the road ((ATM we’re supposed to be going next year). Knowing the ship’s medical centre had antivirals on board would make us feel more comfortable. We always go with an American cruise line so I wouldn’t have thought it impossible for them to buy stocks in - although probably different for UK companies?

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I would be willing to pay for them myself for peace of mind but currently not possible. Lets hope things may change soon.

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That sounds like wonderful news @Fullofbeans . So happy for you :slight_smile:

I wonder if that applies to Myeloma patients too? I’m coming up towards my Stem cell transplant anniversary and wondering if my Covid vulnerability ‘status’ will change at that point. I will ask my consultant at my next appointment.

How wonderful to feel you can seize the day at last and that’s really inspiring that you say you feel fit, energetic and ready to embrace the wonders of life again. I hope you will have some fun times ahead!!

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Hi @Coastgirl, people with myeloma are eligible for an assessment by a CMDU if they test positive for Covid, regardless of treatment. So even after it’s been a year since your Stem cell transplant, you’ll still be eligible - for more info see here but as always, speak to your treating team for information around your individual circumstances. Hope you’re doing okay!

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Thank you so much, @Coastgirl. I see Alice has said you will remain entitled to the meds - but let’s hope your consultant says you can relax a bit too on the covid front. It’s so frustrating to be treated, but to find yourself still unable to live to any great extent. I do have a friend with myeloma - we met whilst having our transplants - and she has resumed fairly normal activity. But I don’t know if that’s with her consultant’s blessing or not.

I had my first outing in two long years on Sunday - my 15-year-old son took me for lunch on Mother’s Day. It was very emotional, and a wonderful way to begin embracing life again.

Good luck with your appt around your one year anniversary. I hope you’re feeling great too, and that you get some reassurance that it’s possible to live a little yourself.

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Wow, @Fullofbeans what an absolutely very special first outing with your son, it brought a tear to my eye.
It must have been so emotional and really embracing life again.
look after yourself

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So glad to hear you’re feeling better now, despite not getting the treatment. What a story! I had the same poor service from my CMDU as well. Because I was eligible for tablets, after 36 hours of to-ing and fro-ing with phonecalls and messages, a taxi finally arrived with 5-day treatment of Paxlovid. I’ve registered a complaint with the CMDU, they certainly do need to have access to clinical records!!

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The CMDU Unit here asked for my permission to access my medical records and liaised with my GP and my haematology consultant for me
I found out via CMDU that I had had neutropenic sepsis in 2017 after they had looked through my records and made me aware what to look out for.

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This is what I have found out
My problem was, I am in Cornwall, not normally a problem, as it’s lovely here
I call 119 - who do absolutely nothing , even though they say CMDU will call, they don’t

  • so a day wasted, as no-one called me
    I call 111
    Cornwall CMDU have to phone first, they asked for permission to access the records, but when I said they were Derriford, they couldn’t access them, all they could do was write down I had given permission… and then pass the information across to Cornwall triage,
    and the clock resets
    they can’t access the records, so send the info to devon CMDU
    and the clock resets
    they pass it to devon triage
    and the clock resets
    devon triage call me, and say I will be getting antivirals
    and the clock resets to get them in 24-48 hours

I think that’s about what happened, however, I was always waiting for a phone calls, and was getting a bit exasperated

and I did get a few odd calls in between, which sounded like there was more than 1 group involved, and they were going at different speeds, and weren’t communication, so it was very confusing

If you live in a CCG, but your hospital is in a different ccg - in my case, Cornwall and Devon - it seems there is chaos,

also, my postcode, PL11, has the third highest covid rate in the country, so I suspect there are a lot of temps involved, who have been told how to do standard things, but not things across ccg lines - it’s my guess, but I think it’s fairly accurate

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I have found 119 are not helpful at all!!
They will not move from the script they have In front of them.

I suspect you are right in your summing up too bless you.

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Hi Everybody
I have been trying to find out why I never got to triage stage after contracting covid at Christmas. Just finding a contact number for my CMDU took ages. Nobody seems to know what went wrong. This is important because I do not want to risk the same thing happening again. What I have come to realise is that the process urgently needs streamlining to stand a chance of working. There are too many fall back stages - if you dont hear from DOH, contact GP, then 111 and so on. And as you say the clock is ticking at every stage. What is needed is a single point of contact ,GP or specialist, whatever, who takes responsibility.
So many initiatives have been announced when clearly little thought was given to the implementation or logistics. Speaking personally at every stage of the pandemic whether its been official advice, vaccine notification or treatments, none of this has proceeded without constant persistence and chasing from the patient. Energies we could all have used elsewhere.
Hopefully my experiencies have not been the exception.
Best wishes to all

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Sorry I mean “have been the exception”.

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My experience I followed from blood cancer uk

Phoned 111 with positive lateral flow and symptoms
Before we started I explained I was immunocompromised and had blood cancer and I was able to access antiviral medication
After a few questions the nurse at the other end said she would email my surgery straight away and I was to call my GP as they need to refer to CMDU
This was 8am and waited nearly two hours to get through
I told the receptionist the same that I was immunocompromised and that I needed to speak to a GP straight away
GP called within 10 mins
He referred me to CMDU within 10 mins
CMDU called and went through symptoms explained they would book a transfusion of sotrivomib for that afternoon
The CMDU GP left me with a telephone number to contact telling me not to wait for the call each day if I was feeling worse
She told me what to do and who to call out if hours
This was followed up with a txt message including what to look for in neutropenic sepsis
The following day my brother collected from them an oxygen monitor with instructions and chart to fill in

It sounds like I have had a very good experience

What a shame it doesn’t seem to be like that for everyone that makes me sad

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Hi @heatherthomas @2DB @kbull a post code lottery springs to mind, with stressed, anxious, scared, fatigued, sick patients being the pawns.
Look after yourselves, you are all very special people.

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